I understand what youre saying ny brother. Enjoy! Also, there is one difference between White Indentured servants or slaves and Black slaves in a country where Blacks are legally considered property. If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. The slave trade was/is not a race issue, its a humanitarian one. Physical race traits such as skin color were used much later as a justification for slavery, not a motivation to start it. To reiterate; were talking about the entire South American continent. From there I started seeing more videos and posts speaking on Irish slavery. Oh, and by the way, my Irish ancestors fought for the North at Gettysburg, for three hundred dollars and a ticket out of Ireland. Famous Martins include musician Chris Martin of Coldplay, and actors Steve Martin and Dean Martin. B. Great to hear the truth that MOST BRITISH dont want to hear COLM MAHER. Clearly this makes it a Black vs White issue. Black Irish Band, American folk music musical group. If I had to hazard a guess, Id say familiarity. The writer of this article conflates two different things geographical/national origin and skin colour/illusionary race category. The Irish, Native Americans, Africans and those native to the islands were classified as savages, not because of skin color, but because they did not ascribe to the supremacy of Protestantism. My grandparent on my mothers side has an Irish maiden name and said her mother married twice, both times to Murphies. These are not the same. Further, the statement, I am offended not by the story and the facts, but by the dishonest comparison. this is an insult to intellect! As I said an Irish female slave mating with an African slave could not transfer his last name because it was the name of a white owner, if an Irish male slave mated with an African slave she would not get his slave name, it would be the property of the white owner, riddle us this??? Doyle is one of the most common surnames in County Mayo. Posting this post is perpetuating the ideology of white supremacy. Was that part of their original contract? He gained his freedom in 7 years and bought land. Giving in exchange for a debt that was owed to my grandfather, he didnt want anyone to know his family history, did you know there were Germans who were held in prison in N.Orleans La. Over the centuries, Ireland has seen much change, with invasion by the Anglo-Normans in the 12th century, followed by British colonisation in the 16th/17th century moments which significantly shaped our history. I enjoy being educated, there is so much to learn that I wish our young people were taught, so they would love instead of hating each other. Second, how does the Civil War, even if it were just about slavery, diminish the atrocities of slavery, war, and maltreatment of the Irish? I have noticed since I was very young that a full one-third or more (approximately) of mixed race couples I see there will be a black male and a red headed white female. There have always been slaves, everywhere, all over the world, just as there has always been war and violence. For example, I am irish and my name in Irish is Aine Maire OFallanhaim, but it was Anglicized to Ann Marie Fallon by the British. Irish revolutionary Michael Collins is one of the most famous Irish people with this surname. Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. It would be the same with people. However, this isnt auditing who had it better and who had it worse!!! Famous Kennedys include 35th president of the United States John F. Kennedy and his family. This proclamation lasted 200 years ,ending some 9-13 years before Black Slavery Emancipation. Lets recall the words of Dr. King: .Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! . Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. Read it again. Sharing in everyday culture and identity, as well as ancestry, human presence on the Emerald Isle dates back some 12,500 years, according to archaeological studies. African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Notable Hughes include American business magnate Howard Hughes, and poet and activist Langston Hughes. The most famous people with the surname Hayes were Rutherford B. Hayes, the 19th president of the United States, and retired basketball player Elvin Hayes. In response to the comment that the Irish did not lose their culture, language etc is inaccurate. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved. There was discrimination and stereotyping of Irish, and there were many Irish supporting the abolition movement, and later solidarity with the civil rights movement. Thats a very open minded attitude. After which they were given the title of white and used as overseers on plantations. They should be and should have been more like the Cajuns and quit they need to stop trying to corrupt the Cajuns. No.. this is skipped when you learn about politics and English/Irish relationships (IRA was very active at that time), but actually more understandable if only 100yrs before centuries of abuse were stopped.. So with that in mind I guess history allready was rewritten in favour of the British Liam Hogan does a pretty good job of refuting this pseudohistory. Other names. Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. However, conflating the Scot-Irish with those who were the predominant focal point of British intolerance: Irish-Catholics (to include any and all Presbyterians and Dissenters among them however small a minority), as the focus of this article however factual is misdirected just as well. Each induvial from different areas of the continent have unique differences. The next great influx came from Northern Europe, with Viking raids occurring as early as 795 A.D. Sad! What people seem to be missing is the point of contention that exists today. The truth is, you are an Israelite. First of all, the reason for the Civil War was the Confederates secession from the Union. The byword African-American was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black leaders a Jesse Jackson. They always had a love-hate relationship with blacks and were quick to terrorize backs to prove their whitness. I have to go back and check to see if the word slave is even in it. There were three waves of Irish immigration to America, the 17th century Irish slaves described above, the 18th century Irish immigrants who settled along the Appalachian frontier and were shepherded by Presbyterian ministers because Catholic priests had a 5 pound bounty on their heads, and the mostly Catholic 19th century immigrants who settled in cities and took over the Democrat Party. Britains solution was to auction them off as well. Was there a negative view of the non romanized world, by the nations of that empire? Still, you probably ask your colleague or friend its meaning, and theyre likely to draw a blank. That meant they came here and worked their debt off and paid for their freedom. Did they have a say in being sold off to a new master? This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale. In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company. Im just now learning the depth of how horrible Irish slavery was. Is not because of Irish slave owners, no erase that foolishnessdont think Gone With The Wind and the OHara plantation. Maine had the highest population of Blake families in 1840. By calling yourself African-American you are still claiming to come from two so-called white men. why do so many people dismiss the truth about irish slave black and white people dismiss the truth. Well, human enough to retain their own name. Close, youd do well in not stopping there. Famous owners of the Irish last name Byrne include actress Rose Byrne, actor Gabriel Byrne, and singer and Westlife member Nicky Byrne. There are no dates for these events, because these were not, and are not, issues faces by Irish slaves and Irish indentured servants. In June 2020, Darker Still Spirits . Please do your own research to find out about white slavery in the Americas. Where can I learn more about Irish names? The byword "African-American" was just adopted by our ppl in the 1980s due to the counsel of our so-called black "leaders" a Jesse Jackson. For I come from many origins but the one of royalty is bmy great grandfathers, Mothers, Aunts , Uncles whom colonized , partaken in this horrible, horiffic , cruel in human act of the wealthiest plantations and plantation owners.My heart aches for what youve been put through and each and every descendants and ancestors.. Great article. Lynch 18. Additionally, Ireland had its own religion, law code, alphabet, and even a style of dress. This is how many other current events were going at the time, that is, not in the favor of the south. https://www.houseofnames.com/dudley-family-crest, Originally, this was a surname coming from Dudley in Worcestershire, England. The predominant slave owners were not Irish. Blacks are still enslaving one another and so are Whites, it needs to stop. Also Indians are not Asians either. It would be interesting to know why they are attracted to each other. Since the black slavery prevailed, likely it was worse. everyone in my family has Irish last names and when looking at my family tree, the ones who are listed as mulattoes in my family have no father listed, but have their mother listed as negro. It is safe to say that if we knew all of history everyones ancestry has been enslaved at sometime. Some of us blow it off, move on, and create a better life for our families. OBrien has been a prominent surname in Ireland for centuries. The Blake family name was found in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Scotland between 1840 and 1920. Rich in history and proud in its Celtic roots, the Irish identity is worn like a badge of honour. Of course police departments came from the slave patrols and why in some states you got a lot of Irish cops. If These men are in jail serving time for committing a crime, I have no sympathy for them or anyone else serving time. I love it !! But this example is of the opposite. The same empire founded the North American Colonies. Ryan (30795) However Middle English blac also meant 'pale wan' a reflex of Old English blc 'pale white' with a shortened vowel. Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. Reblogged this on familytreegirldotcom and commented: Several varied groups of multiracial people have sometimes been referred to as or identified as . Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. As an African American woman with an Irish last name, i knew the Irish were slaves and figured thats how i got my last name. You did not do it, I did not do it, you did not go through it, and I did not go through it, you are shaped more by the world around you now, and I am shaped more by the world around me now. If they committed a crime that warranted jail time, they deserved the sentence. Blacks could not blend in to normal society because most Blacks where slaves and most were not educated and they were not accepted in major segments of the country as entirely human. Northern Irish football player Alex Higgins is one of the most well-known people with this surname. Yet, many often state that the first Celts arrived on the island of Ireland around 500 BC. Just like her arguing the distinction between different slave treatments. I was crying, but I wouldnt changed the colors of how I seen Jesus. I would claim nothing from their bloodline!!!!! Required fields are marked *. There are absolutely no records of this crap, only modern lore that is bandied about as long lost truths. Truth is, there was and is a huge ethnic and national diversity in Africa, and between those groups some had conquered others. In a generation where so much information is consumed via hearsay or processed by means of social media, oftentimes, we can forget to dig into research like in the old days. Yes, Irish were often seen as lower than low, called black Irish or Irish niggers, but dont confuse abusive language with being a slave. No need to compare the two as slavery in any form or fashion is wrongno matter to what extent it was practiced. But you lost me where you said Irish slaves were treated worse than African slaves. I totally agree with you that all Irish were not slaves. Ireland Before You Die is supported by its audience. Its effect with regard to the subject of slavery on a whole only minimizes the atrocities of slavery and bigotry. The native Irish spoke Gaelic. Stewart is a very popular Irish surname. However, it is likely that they never lost their status as dark invaders or black foreigners. Id gladly accept a Cajun than a damn IRISH redneck!!!!!!! I want to thank everyone for reading my postit was a topic Ive been pondering for a while..I was tired of being asked the same questions over and over..your last name is Irish but you are black. 3. My ancestors great great great great great grandparents, one French, one black, moved to new Orleans together (after his wife died) and owned slaves. Whereas once the Irish people mainly spoke Irish (Gaelic/Gaeilge) the indigenous language English is now the primary language. Blog where a high school dropout or even a liam hogan can go and change irish slavery to irish indentured servitude on a daily basis lolto those who used him as your source grow up!!!!!! Surnames today: There are many different origins for Irish names today but the vast majority can be broken down into either of three categories: Gaelic Irish, Cambro-Norman, and finally Anglo-Irish. We got our hands on slave ledgers. Irish slavery is not often talked about because its hard to find people who are stupid enough to believe that bullshit. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat. White people can treat their own quite horribly, history tells. I can trace my Ancestry on my Maternal Grandmothers (Fathers) side of the Family Tree back to Ireland. they did mix thats why they have lighter skin its luck of the draw with genetics if your great great great grandmother was white your chid could be white. Exaggerated claims aside, Im not sure how unless you give that stuff more credibility than its worth. This article attempts to make little of the term, indentured servitude, but the term has legal and Biblical definitions that give it limitations. There were black slave owners as well, so to say that you doubt that they were slaves because such and such was an Irish slave owner is crazy. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts. Notable Flanagans include actor Tommy Flanagan and actress Crista Flanagan. Theres ample others who would be willing to debate this with you. The most Blake families were found in USA in 1880. At what point did marrying an Irish person stop being illegal and considered bestiality? Salem Quarterly Court. Posting this post is perpetuating the ideology of white supremacy. That Slavery is colour blind but profit centred. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. Sign up to IrishCentral's newsletter to stay up-to-date with everything Irish! But why are these fanatics so triggered and butthurt about this, why they try to deny this crime so obsessively? GG Father, May , a wealthy man owned African/Native American Slaves in parts of Georgia and sired two sets of children. Widespread and woven into many different cultures around the globe, Irish surnames are ever-present today. Jim Crow laws where formulated to keep Blacks in their place, not the Irish. 4. Slavery was not only their chief concern but certainly serves as a great example. Just dont take my stuff from me!! Slaves were never considered to be humans, but rather, chattel, and were subject to the whoms of their masters. Theyll come up with terms like Indentured Servants to describe what occurred to the Irish. The same empire, including the Spanish and French, therefore, initiated the slave trade in North America. Remember the sexual abuse of African slaves was the key to keeping the slave population going. The history of the Irish enslavement should not be swept under the rug. The common Sullivan surname means "hawk-eyed" or "little dark-eyed one," derived from the Irish sildhubhn, from suil, meaning "eye" and dubh, meaning black. This is incorrect information. the diffrence is the irish support other oppressed nations not cry that they were treated worst. So ledgers are a great place to start, but the the ending point. The Celtsarrived on the island about the year 500 B.C. The name Cullen is best known from the fictional family of the Twilight book and film series. My grandmother had told me this when I was a little girl, If you come from a family who is of mixed race, and they know the old family school and is not afraid to tell you, cause this was known but your not suppose to talk about it..but I always knew cause of the red hair, but eyes and freckles..the freckles are a sure sign my grandma would say..I learned sp much from her said she wasnt allowed to talk are educate anyone of it, once my grandfather died she told everything..she was a Creole borne in Baton Rouge La. Origins of the Most Common Irish Surnames and First Names. https://sudbury.ma.us/services/news_story.asp?id=259, Im Dutch and this is only the second time Ive read about this in my life.. Also, this foolish comparison fails to acknowledge the differences between indentured servitude and real slavery. Irish family names can tell stories, too. Black Irish (film), 2007 independent film by Brad Gann. It remains, therefore, a descriptive term used for many purposes, rather than a reference to an actual class of people who may have survived the centuries. Wants take a guess on my choice of colors ; Brown, White, Blue, and Black . the first anit miscegenation laws were passed to prevent such mixing. The first slave owner in the colonies was Anthony Johnson, a black African. Do you not believe that the Irish people suffered for centuries under British domination ? It was not until the late 18th century that physical traits alone was being shopped around as an identifier of race, and much later till that idea would even flirt with the consciousness of the mainstream. Id not opt to tell a modern day slave (servant?) "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is a popular phrase often associated with St. Patrick's Day celebrations. Another name, OGallchobhair, which is the Irish version of the popular name Gallagher, means foreign help. I am a Kyle from Scotland I am scotch-Irish they were indentured servants and free men. 3) even if they were 100,000 Irish slaves (which there were not) how dare you attempt to chastise us for talking about the African holocaust? According to Antonio Moore in his Huffington Post article, there are more African American men incarcerated in the U.S. than the total prison populations in India, Argentina, Canada, Lebanon, Japan, Germany, Finland, Israel and England combined. There are only 19 million African American males in the United States, collectively these countries represent over 1.6 billion people.
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