The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. Hypocrites! We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. You tend to lump independent Baptist or independent religious organizations into one lump, sensing that they are all the same. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. 2. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. We believe in salvation by grace 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). Yes, see my answer to your first question. The pew hymnal is inspired by God While I favor hymns but I wouldnt necessarily say that because even though I do use the hymnal, most people at the church I go to now sing from the Power Point. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? 5. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. They are already spelled out in the Bible. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! WebOur Mission. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. I am also against body piercings as well. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. Your happy mega churches do too. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. 33 Snakes! I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). ? God forgave because Jesus saved. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. Hypocrites! I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. around the world wherever our Lord directs. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. Only the KJV will be used in this group; The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! Care to elaborate, provide examples? She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. 26 You blind Pharisee! The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. 7. The New Testament church should be an independent church. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. 42. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! They said no mixed bathing. His son a child murderer. N/A They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. My pastor and his wife sent evil. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. No one is "born into the church." Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. N/A For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). Does he always heal people no. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. Many of these are down right untruthful . These are right on the money! You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. Peace. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. God Bless. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. What an extensive list. G.F.F. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. 46. 1. God works in mysterious ways. (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. How come many Americans havent heard of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church movement? We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction I did learn a lot. Hypocrites! Most people find it hard to swallow that anyone really thinks that way at all. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. Its insidious and extremely toxic. They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You got me I am an IFB college grad. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. I came to get a few laughs but it sounds like you were really hurt by some church growing up. Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. For example, #54. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. Hope you have a great day! I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. 9. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. 7 You hypocrites! I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. If you refuse to use any other Bible version than the KJV because you think its either too worldly, sinful or less accurate,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 4. Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. 34. The members were so sweet to us. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! All rights reserved. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. 13. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. 52. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. Its the inspired word of God. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. We should teach our children of who Jesus is and how we should live a holy or Christian life. Its the inspired word of God. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. 28. 14. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. JUDAH. Its NOT ABOUT US! Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. 24 Blind guides! Come and join. I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/, https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament, http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. Amen! Scripture is Good! I love devotions with the Lord. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati
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